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	<title>Comments on: “Web Guys“vs “Real Programmers”</title>
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	<description>Sometimes in the night, when it does get a bit lonely, I reach over and touch it. Then it doesn&#039;t seem so lonely any more.</description>
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		<title>By: Mark Mumma</title>
		<link>http://nunnone.com/web-guysvs-real-programmers/#comment-3669</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Mumma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 19:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I *am* &quot;the WebGuy&quot; and I openly admit I am not a programmer.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Mark Mumma&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.WebGuy.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.WebGuy.com&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I <strong>am</strong> “the WebGuy” and I openly admit I am not a programmer.</p>
<p>Mark Mumma<br /><a href="http://www.WebGuy.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.WebGuy.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mark Mumma</title>
		<link>http://nunnone.com/web-guysvs-real-programmers/#comment-3488</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Mumma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 09:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I *am* &quot;the WebGuy&quot; and I openly admit I am not a programmer.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Mark Mumma&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.WebGuy.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.WebGuy.com&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I <strong>am</strong> “the WebGuy” and I openly admit I am not a programmer.</p>
<p>Mark Mumma<br /><a href="http://www.WebGuy.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.WebGuy.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Josh Nunn</title>
		<link>http://nunnone.com/web-guysvs-real-programmers/#comment-3311</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Nunn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 02:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the advice Peter. I&#039;m hoping as time goes on a lot of those suggestions might actually start to make sense to me :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the advice Peter. I’m hoping as time goes on a lot of those suggestions might actually start to make sense to me :P</p>
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		<title>By: Screenbeard</title>
		<link>http://nunnone.com/web-guysvs-real-programmers/#comment-4228</link>
		<dc:creator>Screenbeard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 02:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the advice Peter. I&#039;m hoping as time goes on a lot of those suggestions might actually start to make sense to me :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the advice Peter. I’m hoping as time goes on a lot of those suggestions might actually start to make sense to me :P</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Kelley</title>
		<link>http://nunnone.com/web-guysvs-real-programmers/#comment-3309</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Kelley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 14:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that web apps can be further broken up into consumer web apps and enterprise web apps. Enterprise web apps, what I tend to work on, concentrate less on the flashy UI and more on getting good structure into the code so the code is maintainable. Not to say that the UI isn&#039;t complex, the application we are working on at the moment has some funky GIS functionality that will be fun to work with, just not as emphasized.

My advice to people starting out in the Java web application world (and no you didn&#039;t ask :) ) is to go out and find a good framework and learn it. I would recommend either Struts 2 or Spring MVC as good places to start. Then maybe look at something a bit more cutting edge such as Grails (my favorite) or even Lift, the Scala framework.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that web apps can be further broken up into consumer web apps and enterprise web apps. Enterprise web apps, what I tend to work on, concentrate less on the flashy UI and more on getting good structure into the code so the code is maintainable. Not to say that the UI isn’t complex, the application we are working on at the moment has some funky <span class="caps">GIS </span>functionality that will be fun to work with, just not as emphasized.</p>
<p>My advice to people starting out in the Java web application world (and no you didn’t ask :) ) is to go out and find a good framework and learn it. I would recommend either Struts 2 or Spring <span class="caps">MVC </span>as good places to start. Then maybe look at something a bit more cutting edge such as Grails (my favorite) or even Lift, the Scala framework.</p>
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